Jennifer Gimenez’s Sober House commentary continues! Below, the house mother talks about the rumors that circulated last week regarding Seth’s death, the wild goose chase in pursuit of Seth, the group’s harrowing visit with Jessica Jaymes and the immensity of Rodney’s forgiveness.
Do you want to talk about the rumor that went around last week that Seth had died?
I started getting all these emails and phone calls, like, “Is he dead?” At that point, I hadn’t heard from him in a while. I finally got a hold of his best friend and he told me that Seth is alive and about to perform.
I guess that came from the previews for this week’s episode.
Yeah. It’s an unreal episode. I think it shows diversity – it spans the pain of a relapse to the power of forgiveness. Rodney’s the biggest hero I’ve ever had. He blew me away. I was bawling watching that episode. Rodney Glen King is the most incredible human being that I’ve seen walk this earth. That guy is unreal. It’s not just because of the forgiveness. It’s so much more that you don’t get to see on TV. I think if he can forgive what happened to him, I should be able to forgive anything and everything that’s happened in my life. He doesn’t sit there with a chip on his shoulder, and everyone else, including me, does. “I don’t deserve this! Blah blah blah!” That’s not Rodney’s game. At all.
When Seth was broadcasting himself on the computer, giving you guys clues regarding his whereabouts, after a while it just seemed like he was f***ing with you. Was that frustrating?
It was excruciating. It was torturous to witness and experience. When Seth said, “Jenn, I love you, I’m gonna be home late,” he was referring to our pact. He knew he was supposed to tell me when he was going to be late. There was humor to that, but I don’t want to focus on that because the seriousness of his disease is so much more important. Seth must have a lot of pain in his life to go out and use over something that somebody said. I should have gone out and used a million times since the show started airing, if I was going to every time someone said something about me! Watching the intensity of his pain inside is so sad. But after a few of those messages, it gets a little annoying. It was late. The house was nervous, and I felt like I had to be the one at that point that had more experience, strength and hope, and to hold faith for them and show them how we go through this. After a few of those messages, it was exhausting. It felt like we were being toyed with.
And this meant even more sleeplessness for you.
Oh yeah, at that moment I had to play Mommy and say, “We can’t go.” There was a part of me that wanted to go, but then you have to consider who needs it more. It’s like the triage: who do you save? Finally, when everyone was put to bed, it was 6 or 7. We got up and went grocery shopping, and Mary starts getting calls from Jessica Jaymes. Talk about darkness. The group really wanted to go on a 12-Step call, like, “Let’s go over there!” I was like, “No.” In the 12-Step community, the last step is to carry on the message and help out another alcoholic, who still suffers, and so a 12-Step call is helping them, carrying on that message. I’d been taught in the 12-Step community that you do not do a 12-Step call if you have less than a year’s worth of sobriety. And if you’re over a year, you don’t do it alone if there’s a chance you’ll be putting yourself in a dangerous situation. I would never show up to a call by myself – you just never know what the power of alcohol and drugs can do. You don’t know who you’re getting with someone who’s using. Mary was determined to go, so I called Will at that point. We had the crew with us, too. I went in with the group’s understanding that if I felt uncomfortable for anyone, then we would immediately leave. So we finally walked up to see Jessica, and boy, that was just devastation. I thought ultimately, it was a good thing to experience with these people who are so new to recovery what that looks like.
What was your take on Seth taking the “has-been” label so hard? Is that a particularly sensitive area for you, too?
I think it’s terrible that anyone would make a call like that on anyone. Who are we to say who’s a has-been and who’s not? Especially someone who’s making money off you that you call a manager. It’s totally wrong on every level. If this guy thinks that, why would he be managing him? It’s so cruel and so low. Seth is a talented guy. He makes money. There are times that are brighter and times that aren’t. It really affected the house, too. Andy said, “If we’re has-beens, I like this life.”
When you went to the hospital to pick up Seth and found him fleeing and jumping over fences, did you want to check out then? You were putting so much effort into finding this guy who clearly did not want to be found.
I was mad. At that point, I’d reached my limit. His friends were so devastated. When Seth called me, he was very angry: “Get me out of here. I need you to clear this with the nurse.” His disease was so full-force, he was so aggressive, I knew it wasn’t Seth that was talking. He was telling us he had a cardiac arrest and his story kept changing, but part of me knew that I had to take it seriously. If he did have a cardiac arrest, how was he going to get out? The finally nurse told me that he was leaving on his own will. So we finally get there, he books it and the hospital kicks us out and it was like, this is too much. It was too much for one person to handle. The only reason I was with his friends is because they were losing it. It was different than Steven’s relapse because I was feeling the affects and toll of loved ones who are now really scared. They see how dark and deep the disease can be. Seth’s friends, Black and Tyree, don’t break ever, but you see how even the toughest of the tough can feel.
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Hi Seth . I have seen you in all the series of Dr Drew . I have to tell you that I see a beautiful person in you ,my heart goes out to you every time I see you suffering in each episode !There is so much beauty in life , its there if you want to have it . I know life is hard sometimes , but there is also so many wonderful things to experience if you want to !I have know solution to your problems , but I know from my own life experiences that if you really want to change you can !Its not easy , I know ,but if you surround yourself with good people who care about you, life can change !One day at a time , and each day it will get better ! I promise . You are a talented person , its a gift , use it wisely , and realize you are one of the lucky ones to have been given that gift !I beleive in you , and Im sure alot of people do to , run with it , make life what you want it to be , see the beauty , it surrounds you , open your eyes and see it ! I wish you happiness and wish you only the best in your life ! Good luck to you always ! Smile and love life , let life love you back !
Sober house family u should all know that someone u don’t even know is pulling for all of u and i love all of u and i believe u can get over ur addictions trust urselfs love urselfs and know that u r loved
Ah Seth…you are my absolute favorite on the show. I hope you find sobriety, health and happiness. You have an amazing talent…you have a personality that just lights up the room. What I see of you on the show, you have a huge heart and lots of potential to become ANYTHING you put your mind too. You just need to believe that. Not to mention..your a hottie (lol)
As far that LOSER David…I wouldn’t take anything to heart that rolls off that slimy weasel’s tongue! It seems to me, he enjoys putting EVERYONE down..apparently to make him feel better about himself.. pathetic piece of $%*&! Hopefully Mary will realize that as well…Stay strong..your fans and loved ones are pulling for you!!
You’re a good guy :) Good guys always beat the demons! ;)
Hi Seth,Please dont listen to David he is the hassbeen.you have a lot to life for.your son,your music
you sir are far from a hasssbeen.if I could I would hop on a plane and tell David off.look at his life(something he really should be proud of) NOT!
Please You make great music and if you dont want that then that is ok,your son needs you.This world is a crazy place and he is going to need you to help him along the way
please I am 49 have lung ca and know that you can do this.good luck god bless and stay well
When I first started watching sober house I thought what a cool thing to do comming from a recovering addict this was great. Then I started thinking is this all an act? Why would the sober house rules be so relaxed? When the group got out of re-hab they got a week to go home, thats like saying go use for a week and we will see you laterl. Most times you go directly from re-hab to sober living, and your first week is pretty much shut down,second week if you leave you go out with a sober coach. If you use your out. But then I remembered this is a t.v. show and some of theses people are actors. The producers needed them to act and it sure seems likr they were. Ive never seen treatment and sober living like that. Is VH1 preying on their failures for ratings and I think their getting them, very sad.
As a recovering alcoholic and drug addict who has been clean for 6 years, one of the things I do not understand,is if this is real, why in the world are they letting pple like David, in , around or anywhere near these pple when he is clearly toxic. He prays on the fragility of the people in that house, he uses Mary’s already low self esteem and self loathing against her. And as for hasbeens..clearly this man has never been and this is why he is there, to get his 15 minutes of fame from this show. The one I feel the most sorry for is Mary, she needs help and is clearly not getting it. For anyone who has become sober one of the first things you realize is that you have to change your entire life to stay that way. That means giving up pple in your life who are not commited to helping the sober you. As far as Seth I think he will be ok as long as he realizes that Davids comment is not what made him use again, he clearly was not ready to be sober, because if he was no matter what anyone said he wouldnt have used. I think he is a wonderful person, and I hope he realizes for his son’s sake that the only thing that matter’s is his own feelings towards his self and his commitment to staying clean and not what anyone else in this world thinks.
Seth: As I watched you and Will talking in the Hotel I could see the pain and hurt in your eyes. Mary’s boyfriend “David” is toxic and he is a very unhappy person. I know what he said about you was painful, but look at the source. I think you are so handsome and you have a beautiful soul, if only you could see that. As silly as it sounds – I wanted so much to reach out to you and just hug you and never let go. I am praying for you as well as the others. MARY: GET RID OF DAVID. YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET IT TOGETHER WITH DAVID IN YOUR LIFE. HE IS POISON AND A MAJOR PART OF YOUR ADDICTION(S). RODNEY: GOOD LUCK TO YOU! You are an AWESOME individual. God Bless to all ?
Hi Seth. I never wouldve imagined that I will write on a website and or finda TV star towrite to. I want you to kno that I felt your pain so much that I dreamt of you and I using. When I woke up I was so gla it was a dream and I am still sober. Amen. I want you to know that if you not ready then you need to let someone else do the sober living thing becasue this is all a domino effectr and those around you are the ones to hurt and I think we as atticks have hurt people enough I have been clean off of Crack for 21 months and I thank God for my life every day. Yesturdaysepisode reminded me ofmyself with the mix of Crank, Zanax, coke, alcohal and ex all that we needed was a gun and bullets andit wouldve been a quicker death but God doesthings fora reason and I am glad your alive and with a 2nd chance to live. Think about yourself and how wonderful life is without drugs I guaentee you will be so much happier and healthier and just rewind the episode and look at yourself how you look. That is what the diesease wants you to be DEAD.
I am really perplexed. No, actually I’m dumbfounded and mad. Though I appreciate the care and concern the “house-mother” has shown to everyone in her care, I can’t believe that she has this position and power. I’ve been around AA for many years and most folks say you should not even be a “sponser” with less than 3 or 4 years of sobriety. And this woman has only 2 years and she is running a house full of addicts and alcoholics!? Nuts! What kind of true wisdom can come after JUST 2 years? No one should do this without at least 5 years and I believe even that is not always enough to know what decisions are right all the time. If you have been around AA you know what I mean. I think it is really irresponsible for Dr.Drew to allow her to take on this house on her own. I guess she has the money and wanted the job. It really is not right. What sort of example can she set and what sort of choices can she make with only 2 years! I know one thing if I lived in that house I don’t know how I would trust the choices of such little time and I don’t know if such little time would earn my respect when I really needed help. Just my opinion. She is nice. But you need more than just nice.
Seth, I’ve watched you for several months now and I can relate to your addition. I know that it is so hard to fight against it. Dude I went through hell and I’ve come out on the other side. My recovery was slow I mean slow. But you’ve got to do it yourself Seth. Your a talented guy I’m sure that doesen’t mean that you have to punish yourself for your talent. A very wise man once told me that “there’s no change unless you change” I don’t know if you’ve ever heard that but when you clear everything else away that’s what’s left. Look bud having an addition affects so many people today. Your not alone. I know that you know that so you’ve got to fight the good fight.
My advice to you is this Seth. Get out of Hollywood. Dude people there don’t care about you. It’s tinsle town man. Get out of there to where you don’t know anybody and start to live one day at a time. That’s all an addict with a mind set to kick will have to do. It’s up to you bud. Keep punishing yourself chasing that next high or live a life full of promises and hope. I truely wish you the best. I know for a fact that life is good and your young with a whole life ahead of you. So do what Seth needs to do forget the rest and concentrate on yourself. (There’s no change unless you change”).
Omg! I love the show! Jennifer, i have to say that you are doing such agood job! It must be so hard being you. You are such a strong person. Keep up the good work! Steven is my favirot person on the show. He seems like a good person and i think he means well. He’s so funny. I hope that it all works out for him this time around and i hope that Slash is willing to be friends with him aging. i wish all of you the best of luck. Hang in there and keep up the great work guys!!!!
My only complaint about this show is how this Sober House coddles these folks. Any detoxes or sober houses I have ever seen, you show up wasted or don’t come in by curfew you are kicked out, I guess if it is a celebrity doing it, it is OK to show up with heroin totally wasted like Steve did, or Amber going to a bar getting wasted and coming back looking like hell and now Seth pulling his little show. Sobriety is a serious issue, lives depend on it and I personally think the only people that might succeed is Rodney and Nikki. I saw Mary Carey the porn star on TMZ giving crotch shots to the paps wasted out of her mind and was disgusted beyond belief. And never have I seen staff members go hunting down people, they are too busy focusing on the ones that are serious about their sobriety.I truly hope that Rodney makes it, I kinda like him, he has a good heart and I was horrified by what those cops did to him, Thank God that man had the good sense to pick up a video camera, otherwise no one would have known what they did to that poor man. Granted he was high, but I think he was scared, white cops versus a black man. I also give him kudos for forgiving them, not sure I could, but by letting that go, it might open up the door for him and his daughters and girlfriend are on board for him and he knows that they have his back. SO good luck Rodney, I wish you well and I wish you sobriety.
First off, i LOVE the show!! Rodey King is such an inspiration for everyone. He is showing such strength and as a recovering addict myself, I feel Rodney is so inspiring. I feel he has the best chances of maintaining sobriety because of the willingness of him too address his past and not get caught up in the drama that seems to be consuming the house. Saying that, I feel that Seth’s actions and need for attention, has diverted the other’s attention toward him, rather than focusing on their own recoveries!!! Good luck to all, and remember through all the struggles that YOU CAN DO IT!!!
PS
Dr. Drew…your such an amazing and understanding addiction specialist
Coddeling a bunch of grown adults. Please! This show and Celebrity ReHab are the worst shows on TV!
As a person who is in recovery, and having spent time in rehab, it makes me very sad that Sober House is the exact opposite of what one should expect in a sober living environment. Just about everything the house mother, Jennifer has done has only contributed to the chaos and insanity that is is part of the history of an addicts life. Jennifer,you are way off the mark and unfortunately it is the addict’s that paying the price for it. The very idea of rehab and sober living environments is to introduce the addict to a calm, safe living situation NOT involve and encourage drama for the residents. Although I admire your desire to help, your are so not qualified to be running a sober house. You lost control of the house before it even got going and now you are caught up in and creating B.S. right along side the addicts and you are spiraling out of control along with them. If your heart is really in the right place, you will back out until you have had the proper training and can be a part of the residnets solutions and be a role model of what sobriety can be. Dragging the residents through relapses and involving them is never a good idea and I can’t imagine that you don’t know this and haven’t been advised against it. You have a responsibility to those not only living in the sober house but the addicts that tune in each week to find hope. Shame on Dr Drew, he has an ethical and moral responsibility to put a stop to what is happening in the Sober House!
This comment is for Rodney King. Rodney, first of all and foremost, God Bless You!!!! You are doing everything that you need to do to ensure that your recovery is successful. I think that you are are an extrodinary person and very strong!!! I can not even imagine what it would take to forgive the people who beat you like they did . I guess that your belief in God is telling you to forgive!!! That is the power of God!!! Also, you are a very strong person and you will make it!!! I believe in you, and I know that you believe in yourself, also you have a family that loves you very much. I know that this is longwinded, but I need you to know how very proud I of you and what you are accomplishing!!! Keep up the good work and as always, you are in my prayers!!!
God Bless!!!!
IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE FAMOUS N-A SAYING “YOU HAVE TO CHANGE _ALL OF YOUR PLAY TOYS,FRIENDS AND PLACES!!!!!! THAT MEANS YOUR OLD SOBER FRIENDS ALSO, IF THEY ARE NOT TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE AND HELPFULL. IT ISNT EASY BUT LIFE NEVER IS. I BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE THAT WENT TO THE CLUB IS PLAYING WITH FIRE, I TAKE THAT BACK I KNOW THAT THEY ARE.
Cheers Jennifer – You truly have your hands and heart full! I’ve lived the nightmare of addiction and am pulling for each and every resident making the painful journey to sober living. It took me two treatments to send me on the path of my 23 years of recovery and I am grateful every day for it! I lost my sister to the disease as well as other relatives and friends. Currently, I am losing a son-in-law to the same and it’s tearing my heart out to see the devastation to his family. God bless you, Dr. Drew and the other staff for your continued belief in “hope” for these suffering people. I’m frustrated to often miss your program because it is listed in our paper t.v. schedule wrong. But I keep checking in and searching. When I’m lucky I find a rerun of it. Bless you for your courage and for those willing to share their dark side in hopes of bettering us all. Bravo!
This situation with Seth is really heartbreaking. I am 3 years sober myself and know the journey is difficult. When Will went to pick up Seth and I saw the look on his face it was one that was all too familiar. We all know that look of disgust, desperation, utter confusion and defeat. Even being sober for awhile those are the things you never forget. I wish there was a way to prove to Seth that he can make it. He seems so broken and down, and as much as I pray this is the final time for him, we all know that only time will tell. The truth is, a life in recovery is so much more rewarding and important to me than my partying life ever was. It isn’t always easy and it certainly isn’t always fun, but the journey is mine, and I make all of my choices with a clear head. I am truly grateful that these people are doing this show, it is a great form of inspiration and a source of continuing education in recovery, no matter what stage you are in. Thanks….
I am finding the unraveling of the residents tragic. Of course, this is TV. Detox is not so glamorous and fun for most folks, is it?!? Nevertheless, so far I’m only feeling confident in Rodney’s recovery because he seems to be dealing with his underlying issues. (Not to say some others aren’t also getting to their issues, but I only know what I see on TV.) Mary has to get away from David. He’s abusive. Clearly, the residents have to believe their own self-worth! They are all beautiful, talented, intelligent and capable people. They can’t keep hanging around the people, places and things that are #*~@^~#%&%*_~@& ociated with their addiction. The saying goes: If you do what you’ve always done, you’ll get what you’ve always gotten.
I really like Seth, and I too see the potential and beauty in him, but he was totally playing manipulative and cruel games with Jenn and the other residents. Plus, I think he was always planning to use again, but he was waiting for something to ‘push’ him over the edge. David’s comment did that. I mean yeah, it was a mean thing to say, but no one else took it as hard as Seth did. I agree with the responses of some other people here too that Jenn and the residents should not have all gotten wrapped up in the drama of finding him. Like Dr. Drew and Bob said, they need to worry about their own sobriety and let Seth deal with his. Mary especially needs to follow this advice. She was so caught up in the drama of it all and even admitted that she found it ‘exciting’ to search for Seth. One thing that completely dumbfounds me is that none of the residents appear to be in any kind of real therapy except for their talks with Dr. Drew. Like how Amber has extreme social anxiety and how the other residents in general just have low self esteem and their way to deal is to use. Why is none of this being addressed? I wish them all the best and really hope they can heal.
God, where to start? I think the show may be hard pressed getting rid of super toxic David Weintraub being he a business `)+_*!~@`^(^$+! ociate of Sober House producer, John Irwin. Check out the message board at IMDB, there’s hardly a nice thing to say about him. He’s obviously very damaged and needs some help and love. Maybe he can pitch a reality show called, “Reality Show Addict.” He can get the first season started. Run Mary, run. And stop playing both ends to the middle. You have so much charm and potential. Screw porn!
I think Dr.Drew needs to put most of them back in the treatment facility for some more time because they are going back to their “old” habits. They should have counselors watch them when they go to parties. Also they need to tighten up the rules of the house.
This show is a bunch of bull +#!(@`*$“_%!`%( you get people that are used to getting there own way all the time, and then you give them 3 chances to do drugs be late get drunk or whatever,giving you just enough time to produce you’re show, my hope is that these people on the show realize that Dr Drew is looking out for himself and don’t give a +#!(@`*$“_%!`%( about the addicts, I really think these people what fame so bad it easy for the doc to take advantage of them.
I have been sober enough 24 hours to amount to 9 years. I was taught early on that I was not the center of the universe, that I must change my playground and playmates and regradless how much I may have enjoyed chaos in my past I must stay clear of it now. I was taught by my first sponsor that if I want to sore with the eagles I must leave the flock of truckeys I was hanging with and hanging out with active drunks and addicts in bars and night clubs was not the best place for a person trying to clear the wreckage of his past. He also helped me learn that I do not know everything and that until I worked on me I could not work on a relationship with a woman, it took me over a year before I started dating. I know enough to know that our fellow drunks and addicts on this show need more help than what this show is giving them and that until they get back to the “BASICS” they will not grow and continue to be (with the exception of Rodney) an example of how not to live a Sober Life.
Dr Drew should let go of his own ego cancel the show and help these people find real help with RECOVERED alcoholics and addicts…But that is just my opinion.
I’m sorry, I guess what I’m actually trying to say is, when you are trying to recover, it’s hard when you are dealing with the ups and downs of someone who is not ready to commit. Jennifer is faced with trying to decide who really is commited, besides, many who have different opinions. This poor girl has enough just dealing with those who REALLY do want to do it. Perhaps, we should focus on them and not the people who are not ready to be committed. After all, is this not CELEBRITY REHAB, NOT CELEBRITY ADDICTS!
Maybe I am missing something here, but I thought most inpatient treatment programs were 90 days at the least. These people had what 6 weeks at the treatment center and then are thrown into sober living – is this a quick-fix that is failing miserably in most cases?
I have to admit that I really like and am rooting for Rodney King – he seems like such a sweet man with a good head on his shoulders. Frankly, of the bunch, I think Rodney is the only one who will be successful at staying sober. Mary needs to dump David and dump him fast – he puts her down ALL the time and calls the others in the house losers; well, to me, he is just a hanger-on and if he is representing these so-called “losers” (his word, not mine), then it doesn’t say very much for him either. I am praying for Seth, Steven, and Andy – I really want them to succeed; they are such tenderhearted men; the drugs just mask it sometimes. Jenn is doing the best that she can in a powderkeg situation.
I just to let you know that Jennifer, you are a strong person and you have a tremdous will. I wanted to let anyone who stays in that home that, being a child of an addict, they need to realize what they do and Seth’s behavoir is clearly what the family has to go thru, this was hopefully a wake up call for everyone in the house for them to realize that they need to stay sober and stay strong.
Jenn, keep your chin up. Even though you are an addict, being surrounded by a bunch of newly sober addicts, most of whom are banging their high-chairs, can make anyone batty! After watching all of these shenanegans I have an idea for the whole group. They should all get together and make one very simple decision. That is, “Do I want to be alive or not?” You see, by the time an addict gets to the point that everyone there has gotten to, they have lost the right to use. They can no longer use in safety…Period! Steven is damn lucky to be alive. Amber is damn lucky to be alive. Also, don’t be fooled. She has the same odds as Steven or Seth. Seth is damn lucky to be alive, but the games that he’s playing are going to get him killed. Also, I think it would be the absolute worst thing in the world to allow Seth back in the Soberhouse. He needs to be kept out of the limelight! Rodney is doing well because he has let himself be humbled. He has surrendered. I think that Andy may be there also, but he would be wise to try to stay out of everyone else’s drama. Nikki, it is too early for you to play with fire. Please keep yourself in safe places for a good long while. It will be worth it, I promise. Mary, hun, I’m just going to chime in with everyone else that your being around David is not good for you. Give your self some time to find out who you are. I’ve been in recovery for many, many 24hr’s and I do feel a kinship to all of you. Jenn, I think you and I would be fast friends. I have only one suggestion. You’ve got a few newly sober guys in the house and there is really only one thing that’s on their minds once the clouds clear. Maybe as a power of example you could dress just a wee bit more conservatively.lol I’m praying for all of you.
All the women posting are so taken in by the clever, charming male addicts. Steven and Seth are like those miniature dog breeds. We think their bad behavior is cute, because they are cute. It is allowed to escalate WA-A-A-A-AY beyond acceptable for ordinary mortals, to their own peril, in this case. Both came in flaunting rules and boundries openly, no matter how you try to disguise it behind just-kidding-about-overt-surveilance. Seth needs to stop the “Shifty” behavior and get real.
Jenn is nice, that is the problem, she is losing control of the house!! First Stephan shows up a bit wasted on heroin and then she and Will find some and by that time he is really wasted, and right then she should have called the cops not 4 in the morning and she should have banned him from the house forever because in a REAL SOBER HOUSE, the Average Joe addict, he would be arrested and banned. Then we have Amber. Going out on a DATE to a bar!! Gee is it just me, was she setting herself up to fall?? She breaks curfew and comes back in the morning and gets patted on the head by Jenn. Then we have Seth’s pathetic catch me if you can and Andy, Mary, and Jenn all go into a )^$_^`&@(@`$#`$ her. He is a grown man, and like I said in an earlier posting, if you think you have another drink or hit left in you, you are not ready to commit to being sober and he apparently isn’t and that David, whoever he is, is a tool and if he talked smack about Seth, he should have shined it on, he was looking for a reason to use. And please! Tell me how a porn queen is a celebrity??? I had to laugh at the previews for this week’s show. She is whining that David thinks she is a slut?? Well??? I seen her one night on TMZ flipping her crotch at the paps wasted out of her mind, tried to get poor Scott Baio to pose with her for a picture and the poor guy couldn’t run fast enough! I have serious doubts that Amber,Stephan, Mary, and Seth will make it. Andy has a shot if he can stay out of everyone else’s hysterics and focus on his own addictions. And Jenn needs to crack down on their activities. At a REAL SOBER HOUSE, residents do not get to go on dates or to hit the club scene, they have house meetings, therapy, and maybe go to a sober social gathering like an AA sponsored picnic and the 1 a.m. curfew is ridiculous, the house my ex-boyfriend was at for 6 months, he had to be in by 10 and the staff would greet him at the door. He has been sober now for four years and doing well! And this week’s show Mary is going to a sex club?? PLEASE!!! Is this supposed to be entertainment or are people supposed to “learn” from these idiots??? If they are allowed to go to all these places, then they should just go home. It is like they lounge around till it is time to party down! This does not happen in a REAL SOBER HOUSE!!!! I am rooting for Rodney big time, he is the only one working his program, you don’t see him hitting a club, instead he goes to the place where he was beat within an inch of his life and forgives the officers that were responsible and that speaks volume to me that Rodney is a man of conviction, he wants a better life for himself, he realized his life was out of control because of his addictions and he stepped up to the plate and entered detox and now is at the house, but I wonder if he is getting what he needs there? Jenn seems to be wrapped up in the others issues too much. And at a REAL SOBER HOUSE they do not hunt them down, if they are court ordered there, they call the police and tell them so and so did not come back, if they are not, oh well. Jenn needs to focus on the house’s safety and if they come back wasted, she should boot them!!
Hey Jen, I am so glad you are a strong person because I don’t know that I could have handled the whole Seth thing. It looked like he was just messing with your head. I know all his peers are very concerned about Seth but Drew was right Seth needs to do what he needs to do. As recovering alcoholics and addicts we can only be selfish in one thing and that is our recovery and that is something that these people have to learn. It’s hard when you care about your peers and want the best for them. I learned this early in sobriety. Several of the people I went to treatment relapsed a very short time after we left and I couldn’t understand that & I wanted to fix them & I cried for a long time. With my sponsor’s help and praying I was able to let go because I am powerless over their actions. It still makes me sad but it happens everyday. Sometimes I just don’t want to know that people I love are back out because it hurts.
I saw you on Tyra the other day and you look CUTE. You looked great on Sober House but you looked so cute on the other show.
Please say hello to Teresa for me.
AA is a questionable way to recovery. The problem is that there is no proven better way.
The statistics are these: only 5% of those trying to get clean and sober through AA or NarcAnon or related organizations will succeed.
The alternative (self-imposed sobriety without counseling or group dynamic) has been shown to succeed in only about 5% as well.
Sobriety with ONGOING counseling and WITH support group dynamic is DEFINITELY the best of the three alternatives. I honestly don’t know what the success rate is but it is certainly higher than 5%.
I erred a bit in my last posting. I said there was no proven better way and then went on to opine that sobriety with counseling and group had probably a better success rate. The problem is that I don’t have the actual statistic at hand so cannot state anything but my own anecdotal evidence.
Jennifer,
I have 13 yrs sobriety. I am blown away that you are running this house. You TOTALLY
Jennifer,
I have 13 yrs sobriety. I am blown away that you are running this house. You TOTALLY gave into the drama that Seth was creating! It was more like watching people (you) in “sodryety”. Step one, “became willing to admit that we were powerless over our addictions”…hello, are you not powerless over Seth? A perfect opportunity to discuss Step one with the house mates, and tie into their recovery the power of not giving in to an addicts drama, hence maybe learning not to create drama in thier own lives, which for the time being is the number one reason alot of addicts relapse! Do you not see that you all are powerless over other peoples drama? You all were not sober that night…you were “dry” addicts,you all were in TOTAL addiction mode! Seth needs to figure out for himself that he is powerless over his own addictions…obviously he has not gotten that yet. I guess none of you have. As long as he has you allowing the sobriety of all involved to go by the wayside,so you can chase him and make him feel special you are only hurting him and everyone involved.Trust me Seth knows you all love him. And the best way to show him is to be there, healthy and having a new understanding of how to say sober in EVERY sense when HE decides to come back. Anything else falls short and is just enabling him, and eachother for that matter. He has to hit his bottom, that just may be death,something else you should have discused with everyone that night, instead of being glued to the phone and the computer, and all you did that night was enable him and everyone else in the house to feel that they are what they call “terminally unique”.That way of thinking is STINKING!! Some have to die out there so the rest of us can get it!!! Seth has to want to recover, that means he has to come to you…you cannot chase the addict around to “help” him…he is the one that must stop running and seek help.If, if he had called that night and ASKED then you and you alone could have gone to him. What you should have done is had all of your “children” in a manditory inproptu meeting to discuss everyones feelings,to discuss the above things I have said, read from your big books, and talk about how best to say sober from drama which is a number one addiction of addicts. But you should know that Jennifer. Instead you “led”and “let”them” run with all the crap Seth was throwing out. All of you freaking out and calling and watching and waiting…is that not exactally what we come through the doors into sobriety to learn to deal with in a healthy manner? The opportunity you had that night with the house was HUGE, and you missed it. What you allowed to happen that night was not healthy in any way shape or form. You should not be the house mom, you are to new in your own recovery. Dr. Drew should know better…kind of makes me wonder about him.
Thank you Jennifer! Another voice heard from that thinks that this is not working with her being the “house mother” I agree, she is too entirely into their issues and you can’t treat them like friends, you have to treat them as recovering addicts, and step back and let them figure out if this is what they want and I have doubts that Mary, Seth, Stephan and Amber and possibly Andy, will make it because they want to go right back to the club scene where booze flows and a hit is only a bar stool away!! People, places and things! There is no way my ex could get sober at that house! The minute he would step into that bar, he would be drinking, at least, he recognized that he could no longer go to bars or hang with his loser alkie buddies. I commend you Jen, for having 13 years and I bet you have a good life now. They could too if they really wanted it. Personally, I think they like that camera, Amber is not modeling, I have no clue who Seth is, Stephan is no longer the drummer for Guns and Roses and Mary is nothing more than a porn queen! So technically David was right, they are has-beens, but they can be back in the saddle if they really want to pursue their careers again or they end up a statistic. I just think Rodney and Nikki might not be getting what they need because she is so wrapped up in the other’s drama and I too, question Dr. Drew. Seems to me he coddles them too and I am wondering if this place takes average Joe’s or just “celebrities” Probably the Joe could not afford to go there and he is missing out on a chance to get help, and these idiots are just throwing it away. I can bet that on Thursday’s show we will find Mary getting wasted at her SEX SHOW! Jenn, when you were in treatment did you go out on dates, hit clubs or go where you pleased??? I can guess the answer was NO! When My ex Robbie entered treatment when I was with him, and he was at the sober house, I could visit him on the weekends from 3-7 p.m. on Saturdays and I could go there on Sunday as they had an open speaker meeting in the morning and they wanted family to attend, and then we could visit in the afternoon till 5. That was it. I could call him at night after 8 or he called me. After being there 6 months he was allowed to go out to work and he could visit me till 10 p.m. He did relapse and we broke up but I will always care about him and he called a friend of mine and told him that he now has been sober for four years. So I am just wondering why this show is on. If the jist is for regular folks to see that celebrities can achieve sobriety and can learn from them, they have failed miserably. So I too question Dr. Drew and I e-mailed him my concerns, but really, I do not expect a response back.
Jenn,
Focus your energy on Andy and Rodney. The rest are whiney spoiled brats.
does anyone know who the artist is for the instrumental music bed that is played at the very end of episode 6 when seth gets picked up from the motel. i really would love to look that up online to download it. thanks!
I hope everyone in that house makes it! I never really liked Andy `@(!)&_^_#&&_*!% until now, he seems like a genuine guy, that just went down the wrong path, I wish him well. Seth is a very charming guy, you can’t help but like him! You all seem to really care about each other and that is Great! As far as the creep David, he needs to get a life and quit feeding off of everyone else’s fame. He just seems like he is jealous of everyone including poor Mary! Good Job Jen!
I don’t even understand how this woman is running a sober living environment. 2 1/2 years clean? Are you kidding me? She is an emotional wreck, she is emotional about everything and she does not understand addiction well enough to counsel anybody. She is also always talking about how the residents want things done on their terms, and she does not bend on anything, does she have any idea how to work with addicts?
For example, when Seth wanted to leave the hospital his way, hear him out! If you don’t let him, he might not check back in at all.
She has done so many things wrong this season. She not only does not have enough clean time behind her, but she does not have the emotional maturity to deal with this situation. She also stated that the last time she relapsed she had about this much time. Hmmm..
She is constantly talking about relapse and I am sorry but, I have been clean over 14 years now, I had a relapse before this after 3 years clean; no one relapses by accident, you know when it’s coming. She has a long way to go. This woman infuriates me and I don’t understand how anybody would trust the lives of other people to her care.
Wow what can i say Seth has ev1 hoping he makes it along with Steven Addler…the girls they are strong. Andy ~(#&@#!*%%)!)~!* i always thought was a ~(#&@#!*%%)!)~!* but he has really shown his human side and i feel for the pain that he is feeling bout Seth…anyhow maybe this wouldnt happend if the was in a house with someone who had more than 21/2 yrs, i do however feel she is doing a good job as far as she can
Just another note..Mary you are hot, but ya need to get ya #@*`!*`^*(+!&#% away from David…wasn’t he the dude on vh1′a date my ex with jo an slade…he is a scum bag…he offers no positive influence..all he does is judge the peeps there and put them down, and from what i see kinda influences ya to maybe get off the wagon..dump the dusche bag and get with me…:)
Jennifer you are an inspiration to so many of us out here! Thank you for being true to yourself and the others in the sober living!!!
I hope mary now realizes what a f#$* david is. She can do so much better with a little more self confidence. As for the rest of the house keep in mind your goals and what to strive for to stay sober. Remember, you’re never given too much to deal with at any given time, and Jenn, keep up the great work. peace and love.
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Why is it that “sober house” is the one “place” or should I say “bubble” where it is acceptable for the cast to make their own rules and impose their will? (kerry ann excluded; there is NO rational for her behavior; crashing or NOT!!! Can we say psychosis?) This show is a poor example of how the program works!!! I see how in the second season; the show has remedied some enabling that was soooooooooooooooooooooo “okay” and “allowed” depending on the person asking for help. We NOW see you holding Seth to the hard line….the show is a cop out and a VERY weak interpretation of what REAL people go through! If VH1 really cared about addiction….they would stop glamorizing ” the downside of fame” and start “pushing” the “upside of “success”. I want to see a “sober house” with real people and watch how the dynamic changes!!!!!! Is that in VH1′s repertoire? Or is watching the lives of real people too much for your channel? Do you not wonder why “true life” is sooooo successful? Let me tell you Vh1 how tiresome watching coddled “stars”, “IDOLS” and “HAS BEENS” on your show has become. But please oh please KEEP playing to the braindead and stoned of the masses. Everyone thinks this is “cool” and in “style” to go through this inane process!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because of shows like this that think they are “exposing” and “preventing” this kind of behavior; yet are only breeding it!! Kids now a days think it is a badge of honor to have been trough this…and probably over exaggerating their expirences just to be cool. The show is a joke…..when will you admit it?
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