Dr. Jenn Berman has been counseling people and offering advice to people in need for some twenty years now, but on VH1’s Couples Therapy, this marks her first time working with a group of ten celebrities whose relationships are in desperate need of repair. We’ll be checking in with Dr. Jenn each week to chat about the progress of her patients on the show, and what she really thinks of their behavior. This week we got into Linda’s relationship with her mother, who had some strong opinions about Charley, plus we addressed the Vienna-Kasey-Lee love triangle.
At one point during their argument, Kasey said he felt led on by Vienna and that their experience there was a waste of time. What do you think of his saying that, as the therapist who was really trying to help them?
I think he was upset in the moment and feeling hurt, and what he meant was that it was a waste of his time if she didn’t want to be with him. More than anyone, Kasey has repeatedly said that the show was the most life-changing, magnificent experience of his life, so I know that that’s not how he feels. We talked extensively about how life-changing this was for him and he has walked away a better man. The breakthrough he had in episode three changed the way he sees himself and the way his life is going and I know he didn’t mean it in that way.
It felt like the group as a whole was more sympathetic to Kasey at this point and might have been turning on Vienna, was that the case?
I think that a lot of the cast members felt very protective of Kasey and they saw how devoted he was to Vienna. It was hard for them to remain objective and to say hey, if she’s in love with someone else, she should be with that person, she shouldn’t be with Kasey. If Vienna doesn’t want to be with Kasey, it’s a favor to him because it frees him up to be with someone who does want to be with him.
Linda called the proposal between Mike and Deja one of the most perfect proposals you can imagine, it really was a magical moment. How did you find those two?
The executive producer found them and just loved their story and felt like it was great opportunity for our couples to have that sort of reminder of new love and true love. The cast was excited to help Mike pick out the engagement ring and when they found out they were going to be part of the proposal, everyone was so thrilled. Everyone got into it, even DMX was into it, it was so poignant.
Do you think that Linda’s mom’s outward skepticism of the relationship between Linda and Charley was was most affected her and caused her to have doubts?
I think getting her mom’s approval was one of the many elements that Linda struggled with. I think she’s undergone terrible media scrutiny, she’s had conflicts with her family, you know, she’s had a lot working against the relationship and I think her mom was just one element, but an important element. It was important that we had that session together.
Linda’s perspective on her relationship is really amazing, how she says she’s at peace with essentially leaving Charley behind after she’s gone and knowing he’ll have a second life without her. That’s incredible and heavy but also a really realistic way to look at things.
Yup. And it’s also very selfless. That’s one of the things that stands out in their relationship, Linda’s concern, if you listen to her, over and over again it’s “Am I being fair to Charley?” The question is never “Do I love Charley?” or “Do I want to be with Charley?” it’s always “Is this what’s right for him?” which is so loving.
Do you think she’s always had that perspective she describes, or did she gain that from therapy with you?
I think she’s a very loving person and she’s always tried to have in mind what is in his best interests. Their part of therapy was helping him and her figure out what was in their best interest.